Wednesday, August 26, 2009

And We

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."---
Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785
. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them." ---
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796.
The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

"We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;" ---
Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." ---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776."The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."---
James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.

"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws."---
John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)

"Myself - I can just say. Who are the militia? If it is my home, my body, my freedom being threatened, then frankly, the militia is ME. The power of my weapon is not, at that moment in time, within the order of my life as it is lived at that moment, with the Government. Itis where it should be always be, God willing, in my hands, trained and ready to defend and protect." ---
Brigid- Home on the Range

22 comments:

  1. "Because our Founding Fathers were smarter than you."

    Amen!

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  2. Too many either don't know, don't understand or have forgotten. The 2nd ammendment affords us all others.

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  3. Brigid,

    Would you mind if I posted that pic to my blog, (with a ref back to your blog of course)? I love it.

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  4. Moral intellectual heft is a good thing! Your hefty statement is the first thing that I really read on your blog. You know the drill, quickly scan down the page upon first entering, and there it was. Your words, my feelings. steve

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  5. Too good not to share with everyone I know. Kudos Brigid!

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  6. Good Stuff Brid....they were leap years ahead of what we have in Washington now{and for several elections over several decades}. They have to be spinning in their collective graves, or trying to claw their way out of them to get at the henchman running the country.

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  7. I love those quotes from the Founders.

    Anyone who can read should be able to tell, from them, that owning and carrying guns were intended to be individual rights.

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  8. All very good and timely quotes. Especially the last.

    Well worth repeating on a regular basis.

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  9. Brigid, for me, I like Jefferson love to possess arms and pray that I never have to use them against another person. Although certain individuals may be of the opinion that I should not be allowed to possess firearms, I will never just give that right away. I, at the age of 17, joined the military and took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. I lived that oath for 20 years. When anyone, including our elected representatives try to run roughshod over that Constitution, to me, that makes them a domestic enemy of that Constitution.

    I really think that our elected representatives, Democrats, Repulicans and Independents, need to take a real hard look at the 18 actions that they are allowed under Article 1 Section 8. These are the only things that Congress, under the Constitution, are allowed to do, period, end of story.

    I agree with your sentiment that when the proverbial wolf comes prowling that I too am the Militia, and my right to keep and bear arms, in order to form that well-armed Militia, shall not be infringed.

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  10. Have you seen the HBO series on John Adams? It's available on DVD through Netflix and, I'm sure, others. I found it interesting and relatively accurate in its portrayal of the ideological debates that Adams and Jefferson (in particular) had from the start, particularly regarding the constitution and the role of government. The quotes you chose illustrate, aleit briefly, some of the basic differences the two men held. While they were often political adversaries, its interesting to observe that in latter years after their public lives were largely over, they became quite good friends and held each other in very high esteem.

    While I don't claim the film is "historically accurate", nor do I vouche for the accuracy or depth to which the film makers mined and portrayed the writings of the two men, I'd recommend the series to anyone who has an interest in Adams and Jeffersons role in the creation and implementation of the constitution.

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  11. Great picture - excellent quote at the end.

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  12. Oh, how I wish the authors of our Canadian constitution had half the brains the founding fathers of US democracy had... The intelligence and foresight of the writers you quote is striking, especially in today's climate of universal attempted disarmament.

    wv: nulect -- vote the bastards out!

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  13. A fine list of quotes this is!

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  14. RC - go ahead and post. Just put a (c) copyright, Brigid at Home on the Range on it please.

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  15. The Founding Fathers were wise beyond their time. The problem we have today is that the Left believe that they're smarter and have all the "modern" answers.

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  16. Well quoted :-) Very few today would ever bother to find more than one quote, much less actually READ to find them. THank you!

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  17. "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington

    Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? — Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

    The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. — Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution Proposed BV the Late Convention (1787).

    Americans need not fear the federal government because they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess over the people of almost every other nation. — James Madison.

    “Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine

    Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. ---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    The supposed quietude of a good mans allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them... — Thomas Paine, I Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 (1894).

    Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. — James Madison, The Federalist Papers No. 46 at 243-244.

    “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” — Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1.

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).

    ...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights... — Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist No. 29.

    Paladin

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  18. Love id, Brid! I want one poster size for my office!

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  19. You just made my cookie files's day. thanks.

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  20. Nobody today wants to admit to devolution, that we (or they) are not the Pinnacle of Time. We suffer from Chronochauvinism.

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