They were small, planted behind the house to fill in a gap between another stand of evergreen trees. I'd planned to be long gone from that place, hopefully in a tidy log home, before they were grown, but I had hoped they would have survived to the next owners. Though the suburbs were now all around, there were still enough corn fields and stands of trees to invite deer in and around the neighborhood, looking for a tasty, easy snack behind or near a low fence.
I've taken some grief from the tree hugging crowd for deer hunting. Those people think deer and envision Bambi. I see deer and think large wood rat with a rack. Deer are beautiful, in form and function but they are also incredibly destructive if the herd is left unculled How do you know it's a deer that's been nibbling on your landscaping? Deer lack upper incisors, so browsed twigs and stems show a rough, shredded surface. Rabbit damage has more of a neat, sharp 45-degree cut. Rodents leave narrow teeth marks when feeding on branches. Deer strip the bark and leave no teeth marks. Hungry deer will find just about any plant tasty, going at it like Pac Man with a power pellet.
There really is no "deer proof" plant. There are species however that they find less appetizing if given a choice (you know, like turkey bacon). These include purple coneflower (4th photo from the bottom), thyme, grape Hyacinth, daffodil's, juniper, hawthorn, pinion pine and Douglas fir. For your flowerbeds specifically, they usually won't eat Lady's Mantle, Butterfly Weed, Foxglove, St. John's Wort, Lavender, Daffodil, Poppy and most pungent herbs. Favorites are apple, maple and plum trees, geraniums and tulips.
What I know doesn't work. No Deer Allowed signs. Things that make noise, like sheets of foil (they get used to it). Dogs, (effective in the day but if the dog is in the house at night sleeping the deer simply wait until dark. Deer voodoo dolls. Spotlights (they get used to them).
Chemical vs. Natural: Some folks recommend chemical repellents to deter deer. I've used both chemically based, and naturally based. Some I've tried with some success, Deer Away (good product, lousy dispenser) and Deer Off . Chemicals that don't work well in testing include denatonium benzoate, so check the label. The best "over the counter" product I've tried with success was Plantskydd, which like the Deer Away is a "fear inducing" repellent. It's not a product for the aroma sensitive or those whose bedroom window is directly downwind, for Plantskydd's effective ingredient is pig's blood in a veggie oil binder that helps to keep the product from being washed away too quickly. mmmm. The pigs' blood works by emitting an odor that animals associate with predator activity and stimulates a fear-based response which will have deer and other mammals looking for somewhere else to dine lest they be the next woodland creature slaughtered.
In short, it smells REALLY bad and will last for a while on any clothing you get it on. My neighbor said it made him gag, but he was a wimp. Just be careful, when and where you spray, but typically the odor fades to the human nose after a day. On the plus side, the product works for weeks, although it can discolor leaves, so spray it around the soil at the base of the plants. Of all the "store bought" things I've tried, hands down, this was the best.
There are also taste repellents (some of which you can make at home, naturally and some which you can buy (such as Tree e Guard®, or the McDonald's Big Mac).
One of the most effective, and totally natural repellents that does seem to work is a mixture of 20% eggs and 80% water. This may clog your sprayer so if you can remove the white membrane attached to the yoke before mixing, that will help. This will need to be reapplied every 30 days but it can be a less expensive alternative than chemicals. There are other "home remedy" methods to repel deer. Hot sauce has been said to repel (though it does not work on Cajun deer). Try 3 tsp per gallon of water and respray after rain, or watering. Others swear by coyote urine (100%). I've had a hard time getting the coyote to pee in the cup so I'll stick with either the egg mixture or Plantskydd.
Home-remedy repellents can be questionable at best. Some call for scattering human hair or soap shavings around the plants, or hanging bars of soap and fine mesh bags of hair from the trees, Blair Witch style (replacing both soap and hair bags monthly). Deer have been reported to simply eat the soap bars, and frankly hanging bags of hair from your trees and plants is only going to repel the neighbors (who think you've gone crazy on them and if you've got the freshly slaughtered blood smell wafting from your soil as well from a spray of Playtskydd, you'll find kids won't even come to your house on Halloween any more.)
Materials that work in one area or for one person may not work at all in an area more highly frequented by deer, and there are differences in feeding habits that run state to state.
Paper or Reemay budcaps. These are used to protect a trees terminal bud during dormant season. They may help reduce browse damage. Budcaps are rectangular pieces of material folded lengthwise and stapled around the terminal leader. These are used most commonly on conifers since deer normally munch on the conifer seedlings in the late fall and early spring when the caps can be installed without interfering with tree growth.
Some people have luck with tying white plastic shopping bags on the fence every couple of feet. The noise and movement of the plastic bags seems to scare deer and keep them away. Electric fences also can be used if you are dead serious about it. Electric fences should be of triple-galvanized, high-tensile, 13.5-gauge wire carrying a current of 35 milliamps and 3,000 to 4,500 volts. This is effective on deer, Democrats and overzealous magazine salespeople. Several configurations of electric fences are used: vertical five-, seven-, or nine-wire; slanted seven-wire; single strand; and others. There are restrictions in many areas as to the use of an electric fence. If the fence is legal by local or state statute, there may be restrictions as to purpose, number of strands, size and type of charger (might have to be Less Than Lethal approved), must be inside the perimeter of a mechanical fence, setbacks from property lines and public access, etc. (If electric fences are outlawed only outlaws will have electric fences.) So you should check your local ordinances before purchasing and installing. In any event, when using a single strand electric fence you will want to mark the wire with reflective tape or a cloth strip, something to catch the deers eye. Otherwise they won't see it until they've gone right through it.
For small gardens and stands of trees (no more than 3 to 4 acres) you can use invisible polypropylene mesh barriers. These are 7 and a half to 8 feet high, UV treated with a high tensile strength that blends in. It comes in rolls 100 to 330 feet long and is attached with hog ring staples to high tension line. The bottom is either staked to the ground or attached to another high tension wire to keep the deer from limbo dancing underneath. Some people use a slanting type deer fence or fortity their electric fences by baiting with peanut butter. Baiting is NOT legal for hunting but it is for teaching a deer what Mr. Fence is all about. The peanut butter will draw them in to a fence/nose encounter (Choosy Mothers Choose . . . Son of a Bitch!) The deer will remember that and will associate the fence with stay the heck away.
And remember, if all else fails.
October bow season is not all that far away.


29 comments:
Save the peeps!
(w00t #14!)
I find the most effective repellent is a valid hunting license and harvest tag...
Good post!
Shoot em, saves time/trouble, and puts food on the table :-)
Another plant recommended is Yew. Apparently it is actually poisonous to deer and rabbits.
A concoction that seems to deter the rabbits is cloves and hot chili peppers boiled in water & strained. It doesn't smell too bad and shouldn't clog the sprayer.
Oh, I wish we could shoot the deer, but the use of bows, blowguns, slingshots, or any other projectile weapon is strictly forbidden within city limits. Live traps, now that would be interesting.
I also find the last solution you present to be the best alternative. :)
Yum!
As President of the Big Mac fan club, I protest the maligning of that proud and noble sandwich.
A friend volunteers at a wild animal sanctuary in our area. She collects lion scat and scatters it around her property. The deer stay away and the Boulder County, CO hippies don't seem to mind the smell.
I second Well Seasoned Fool's suggestion: Make friends with a keep at the local big city zoo, and get a supply of lion, tiger, or mountain lion urine or feces.
Barkley would be unhappy, though...
A variation on the last suggestion.
Forget repelling the deer like a dairy farmer I know of. He lets the deer eat his hay alongside the cows all year until the first day of bow season when he'll be waiting at the milkhouse window with his bow.
Don't know if that's considered baiting but it sure works for him.
I have found that my own urine, left in containers to concentrate under bushes around the perimeter of the property do well. I've seen the deer pass by in neighbor's yards.
I grow lot's of stuff that deer love. Strawberries, lettuce, cabbage, etc. No problems so far. They did get two stalks of my Honey Select corn last year, but that's all.
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And when this post first came up I read it as "Dearly Departed" and saw Barkley in the first pic and my heart skipped a beat.
Brigid, Did you create the Peeps Picture? If so can I borrow it for training purposes? I loved it!
Sport Pilot - a fellow blogger sent me that. It's perfect though.
Night all, flight out at o dark hundred.
Unfortunately, my eggplant, tomato, and basil seedlings were too small to tell if it was deer, squirrel, rabbit, or dove.
Huh. Tennessee has deer, rabbit, squirrel, and dove seasons. Forget revenge being served cold - I'll serve it hot, with a side of cheesy garlic bread.
And get some repellents in the meantime for seeding round two, and the few straggling survivors. Thanks for the review!
Our Labs are on a raw diet; Daughter prepares it for them. One of their favorite raw foods is deer meat. That solves the problem, too. Send Barkley out there after them.
My old house was in a high deer population area. If the neighbors had not been so close, I would have several years supply of jerky. Deer fence was the only thing that stopped them. Of course all the Bambi people were feeding them, so they weren't afraid of anything. Stupid people abound.
I seem to remember that Weyerhaeuser used to use powdered eggs to stop the deer from eating young trees.
A 8 ounce bag is around a dollar a ounce for the dried egg powder.
That 8 ounces will last a long time.
Ditto to what Old NFO sez.
If one is adverse to that advice, the 8' tall, woven wire fence is the 2nd best deterrent for these wily critters!
Bob
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One of the properties I hunt belongs to a commercial tree farmer/landscaper. He's tried every chemical out there and has found nothing that works - except for point sticks flung from a bow. That's where I come in. :)
Brigid, I don't have deer about and live half around the world from you but that was very interesting.
A friend came up with a marvelous system where he used a series of motion detectors connected to his in ground watering system. Bambi shows up and promptly get sprayed; hard.
You can take 7 or 8 deer per hunter/landowner legally in our home county here in Indiana, and yet doing so hasn't saved any of our fruit tree plantings. We've tried for years and they just eat 'em all!
"or hanging bars of soap". On a plus side, this will keep the hippies away!
Luckily, our deer stay out of our yard, unless you count the brave/desperate soul who ate the nose off the snowman last winter. Not sure what I'm doing right, because we have all kinds of deer yummies planted all over, and deer are pretty thick in our neighborhood. Unfortunately, I can't hunt in our neighborhood, so I have to watch the big buck and his harem calmly chew grass in the fields while watching me.
"I see deer and think large wood rat with a rack."
NICE!!!!!!
I've defined (to city-dwellers) the "oh-so-cute" squirrels as simply "big-ass-country-rats that look good with a fine cross-hair reticle aligned over their center of mass."
I guess I will now have to redefine how I define those "oh-so-cute" deer.............
Thank you!!!
As an electrician, and an owner of dogs who like to ...roam, I find 120V- 60HZ just the right repellent.
A chicken wire fence held off by #4 stranded insulated wire and wrapped around said trees will be the deterrent needed.
I have the fence on a switch in the wood shop, so I don't have to "plug" it in when needed.
I have an acre of bare steel wire about six inches above the bottom of the fence to keep dogs from digging out. Once the black one hits it and finds it's not that puny electric fence thing she ignores- we don't have escape problems for almost years.
"Plantskydd's effective ingredient is pig's blood in a veggie oil"
Hmmm, could be useful in keeping away certain other critters of ME origin..
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Morris
My wife likes deer - but then, we don;t have much of a problem with them in our garden. They stay in the back fields. I agree with you about wood rats.
As for electric fences - 35 milliamps at 3000 V is 105 watts.
That's a lot of juice. Most farm electric fences are capacitor discharge types - peak current is that high or more, but the duration is short. If you tangle with one, it hurts but probably won't stop your heart.
Hooking a fence to line current is asking for a lawsuit and creating a booby trap, illegal most places, not to mention extremely dangerous.
Electricity is like guns - safe in trained, careful hands, deadly to those ignorant or careless.
Chuck - that's why I added a sentence or two about checking with your state and local law. Some areas don't allow any at all and some say they must be single strand, etc. A fork is lethel for some people, but you've made a really good point.
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